barrywh, nice idea a little high on the top of the A but nice idea
JDK again very original not a huge fan of the multi color letters but i do like the black and white version
eclectic not a huge fan of the helicopter wasnt exactly what i had in mind, altho i do like that blue logo with the Indian native American apache very creative.
frozen flames, great design but very messy in terms of being able to see the logo clearly, while the textured background is nice it really isnt any help as i will not be able to us a bg in printing. Smoother bolder lines would be great altho i do like the idea.
hello JPA sorry you get busy and side tracked you know how it goes.
i had been meaning to comment and give some feedback and i do mean this constructively, the designes are nice but dont really have the grab of a logo, i think they would be better suited worked into a tshirt design and for that application they work perfectly but for a corporate skate kinda logo they just dont quite fit that profile for me im sorry to say. just the matt outline remind me of the shampoo brand swartzcough i know thats not how its spelt but i cant think of it at the moment
Ok. Then, what exactly do you want? A brand for kids, for professionals? A brand only for skateboards or also for clothes? A Powell Peralta look like logo or a Toy Machine look like logo? Something like the old Blind logo with a reaper-pet? Thanks.
the 2 last designs great not so much for a logo but defiantly have another use in mind.
This part applies to everyone so far, my current thought and feel free to voice your thoughts is we agree on a price per logo and i give funding for all the designs i can use rather then just 1 winner given they are are good and very useful. Given my funding constraints i had allowed for this process it wont make you all rich but it will give an equal share to the logo's i like and that are viable with a view to ongoing work and designs for each designer.
Guys this is just an idea please let me know your thoughts.
Mmm... dealex, the things you say are good for us but not good for the client. Logically, there must be one logo winner and then you could talk to the other designers to make t-shirts or something else. I don't want to name other people's logos because I don't want to judge them, so I will use my designs for the examples: there are some classical logos here (like my #7 or #13) most appropiated to used for a T-shirt design for a Skateboarding company. But the Skateboard logos usually looks very simply (like my #20, #21 and #23) changing only the tipography depending on the character of the company (For example, Foundation haves a very classical tipography and other like Bullet or ATM haves a gothic like tipography, but continues with simplicity). So my idea is that Apache Skateboard must have only one logo and, for clothes and other things, like in all the skateboard companies, Apache can use the variations he wants.
dealex....I think you should do whatever it is you want to do; it's your contest...:-) If you decide you want to use different logos for different options, where is it written you can not do that? Sure, generally a company has one main logo, but again...is that written in stone? I agree with jpa that the skateboards should have one logo; something that will brand that skateboard and be recognized as an apache skateboard, unless of course if you have different types of skateboards, different price ranges, etc., then you could even have a special logo for each type/category of skateboard. I don't skateboard, so I am not even sure if they have that option when buying. ( I did roller skate when I was younger, and there were many types of roller skates, so maybe there is for boards). But as I said earlier...this is your call on whatever it is "you" want to do; I don't think there are restraints.
I think that choosing more than one winner isn't a good idea. It gives the designer much more credit when one logo is chosen and actually used, so that they can say that it is THEIR work alone. Plus, it gives the company a much stronger brand to only have ONE solid logo that people recognize and relate to. There aren't any major companies that I can think of who change their logo constantly- it just confuses the target market. I'd honestly drop that thought and stick to picking one winner...
jhewit22... I don't think that is what dealex is saying here...I don't think his intentions are to "change logo constantly". He stated, "equal share to the logo's i like and that are "viable with a view" to ongoing work and designs for each designer.". My understanding of that is he may like more than one design; he may like a few of them, and right now he feels the ones he does like he wants because they are "viable with a view to ongoing work". I see no reason why he can not make the decision to do that. I don't think there are rules or laws that govern what a company can or can not do when it comes to their logo or company branding. There may be opinions on what they "should do", but in the end, it is the company/business that makes the final decision.
I am not a greedy person, I would not mind sharing with anyone at any time...just my nature. Even if he didn't choose one of mine, I think the ones he does choose should feel honored and not even care about the money, nor question the contest holders reasons for wanting to do it this way. Just my opinion on it...:-)
Oh, I'm not saying that he CAN'T do it at all...he can do whatever he wants to do. I took what he said meaning that he wanted to have more than one logo for the company and continually change the brand image around to have multiples looks...and I'm not saying that I wouldn't like to share the ongoing work either, but I still think that it is much more honoring, as a designer, to say that you are the exclusive designer for a company- meaning they will come to you first when they want something done- that is all I'm saying. He can still make the decision to do anything that he wants, I was just simply stating that it would be nice for their to really be one exclusive person and if he doesn't like what that person submits for something, then he can have his own little shortlist of people he might turn to secondly, but it is nice to be in that first spot and I think he should honor someone with that...that's all I was saying...
I agree with you totally where you say,. "but I still think that it is much more honoring, as a designer, to say that you are the exclusive designer for a company-" I understand what you are saying, and respect what you are saying....:-)
I think that dealex didn't meant too use them all. I think that dealex is a designer just like us who's working for a client, and the more designs he will have the better. Right? Anyway! Spliting a 100 bucks in 10 is kinda annoying.
In my humble opinion, I think dealex should choose one winner for the logo (that person receives the $100). Splitting $100 among a few designers is a great deal for dealex but I think it is short changing the designers here. If dealex likes some other designs for t-shirts, etc., he can contact those designers via private message and negotiate a deal so to speak. :)
Guys just to be clear on this one, i am actually the client here on this one as apache skateboards is my company here is Australia, and sorry for making it seem a little weird the the $100 was a design fee the accuall funding i have for the project here is around a grand so $1000 and i can use various designs for merchandise such as shirts ect, give aways ect. the accual logo looks to be heading to number 30 with funding going to buy a few other designs for different uses.
Yes guys you are correct i am a designer myself but as such sometime i get to close to my own projects. And as kshdzines points out for me is see potential in some or the logos and continued work, but you guys have voiced your opinion which is all i was asking so 1 sum prise to the winner with additional designs to be purchased.
if we split say $500 up amounts some of the stronger designs then that means each person walks away with $90 roughly in their pocket. Again if you still would like 1 design 1 winner then i will happily arrange that 2.
In my honest opinion, I think that even in your pursuit of creating other products and merchandise, it would be smart to use the same logo as the winning design that you select because it gives all of your pieces the same look and feel and creates a much stronger brand...what does any one else think? Doesn't it make sense to use the same look for all of your pieces?
And remember guys with any design and logo it must always be market tested with demo products, seems silly to buy a logo a see it fail id much rather spend more money buy more logos and have something that works then a one shot snoozer. Retail products must always be tested logos. So it makes logical sense to buy more logo's there are about 6 logos i wish to test. which will give their owners around $100 each for their efforts while still keeping my costs down in the early stages of development.
I suppose that it is fair in the long run, but, I just keep going back in my head to thinking whether or not there is a point to buying all 6 logos right away- why not buy the strongest logo and test it to see if it is liked, and if not, keep the other designs that you like on a shortlist and contact them one at a time- that way, you aren't automatically spending $500 on logos, which is half of your total budget for this...do them one at a time until you get one that is strong enough for you in a test market...you know what I mean, save that extra $400 for now, you never know if you'll even need to go past the first design that you choose...I'm sorry that I keep going back to my thought, but I just want to save you money and make sure that you are happy...
i work 80 hour weeks and could probably assign on of my in house designers to do this, given the cost of shirt printing and time there is a balance, i do understand and appreciate your concern but spending $500 on some logos that pretty cheap compared to paying a fulltime designer to do this and take him away from other more important work. So yes $100 for a logo is cheap i know but when the business becomes self sustaining there will be opportunities for larger more frequent contract work.
There is one thing I can't understand: it's extremely strange your intention about to buy 11 logos to test them, and expend a lot of money taking the risk of no one results valid. I must going to say again that the best formula for any company is to have only one logo. If you want to purchase 11 different logos, I will not sell mines because, as I say, this formula is very, very strange. I think if you would want different desings to buy for t-shirts and staff, you would have specify it on the terms. So I think I'm on a contest for a brand logo and not in a contest to design staff, those are very diferent things. I'm sorry for my words if they sound strong, it must sounds constructive, but english is not my language and I cannot spell my words as fine as I would like.
jpa - This is a "CONTEST" This was an unfair thing to say to dealex "If you want to purchase 11 different logos, I will not sell mines" There is no buying or selling here. I don't see where we are "bidding" on a project. A contest holder can place 20 winners if they choose with each winning something of greater, equal or lesser value...think about it. Are we not entering a "contest" here? You seem to be confusing the 2, jpa. You are not designing to "sell your logo exclusively"; you are in a "CONTEST" and what the contest holder's reasons are for the contest can be any reason he chooses, any rules he chooses, any amount of winners, and any payment he chooses. I say there is nothing wrong with what dealex wants to do, and he should do as he pleases.
Kshdzines, it's your point of view. As a contest holder, Dealex can make whatever he wants and as designer, I can make whatever I want. If you want to sell your design for another intention for which it was not created, it's your decission.
well guys you put in time and effort and its not really about winning is it ? its about seeing what you as a designer can do and receiving some recognition for that. so if JPA doesnt with to sell me any of his designs thats his call i did like some of them though.
Many times a company will buy logos without using them from different designers for lots of different reasons.
For far Maxson #19 are you interested in selling, JPA #20, Jhewit22 #30, KHDZN, #28 & #29 Frozen Flames #25 just for a start.