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gurljinxed 1 year ago
Is this the site for the logo? There is not enough information to get started.

Thanks.
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
Oops, it did not post the url ;)

upwithpeople . org
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CRS 1 year ago
Yes that is the current logo that has been used. Please let me know what other information I can provide you.
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CRS 1 year ago
Great 1st submittal. It doesn't show the name of the non-profit however.
Thanks
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CRS 1 year ago
Keep this in mind. The guarantee of this prize is $480. Keep in mind lots of creative people work with organization. Knowing the level of difficulty we purposely chose to award a prize of $480 (500 minus listing). The chosen design will need to be that of almost spectacular.
We are pretty open for the most part to submissions and will extend this contest past the due date. Any questions please feel free to ask.
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CRS 1 year ago
Good first submissions.
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CRS 1 year ago
We will be extending this contest for another week.
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CRS 1 year ago
#31 is a good direction to go in. Lets see what else you can submit in that direction, Rwspillmann.
Thanks Again.
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CRS 1 year ago
We have paid to extend this contest for another 8 days.. Why has the admin not updated this??
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CRS 1 year ago
I guess the admins of this site do not update listings!
CnSGD 1 year ago
I will try my hand at this soon.
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CRS 1 year ago
Sure. There is still time..
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
AWWW!!! Another week... sigh (lol)

CRS, can you please comment to see if we are getting close or in the right direction? I know there are ratings, but I don't want to keep pounding out on the same concept if it has no chance.

Thanks!
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CRS 1 year ago
Thanks for all the entries.
We will be providing detailed feedback this afternoon on these submitted entries.
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CRS 1 year ago
So far #104 by expression is one that is being heavily considered as well as #54 by Elanontia and a couple that Marius submitted.
Bonic , Keegan and Gurjinx have also submitted great concepts. There are alot of great concepts submitted overall and we will be making a final selection in less than 4 days. So far the entries have been great! We would like to see where the next level to go with this is.
Happy Designing!
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CRS 1 year ago
A lot of great designs.. We will be selecting our winner(s) within the next 48 hours or so..
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CRS 1 year ago
Great submissions!!
We would like to see concepts with UWP Music incorporated in it.
Many Thanks!!
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CnSGD 1 year ago
Are you thinking of extending it longer since you would like more incorporated with it?
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CRS 1 year ago
Yes. It would only be fair. I was told within the last few minutes that the UWP Music should officially be incorporated in the design.
I think the fair thing would be to allow until Jan 20 th to allow designers to submit their work.
Please contact me directly if there are any questions.
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
I'm out.....

Too much work for an un-guaranteed contest. I retain the rights to all of my designs submitted to this contest and may not be reproduced.

Good luck to everyone! It will be interesting to see how this one turns out! ROFLMAO!
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CRS 1 year ago
Please retain all the rights to your submission as they will not be used in any way. You've asked this question before and we have gone back and forth with this... IT IS GUARANTEED by us... Your submitted work is not that of a $480 dollar prize. Good Luck in your other contests.
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jpa 1 year ago
Guaranteed as the Shatter Jaw contest? Or really guaranteed?
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
Your rude comments are not appreciated. Your a rip off and are taking advantage of the creative artists here. Your a shyster. Just because YOU personally guarantee a contest, it does not mean that it is guaranteed through LogoBids.... which IS a guaranteed contest. I feel sorry for anyone who continues to work on your logo... it is pointless. I do not see any designs here (no offense to any of the designers) that would be worthy of replacing the current professionally designed logo that is currently in place at the website (which that designer was probably paid a few thousand dollars.

Your prize money has NOT been sent to Logo Bids for safe keeping, so you can "dissapear" at antime with no skin off your nose (just like you have done with the shatter jaw contest"

So, if you say my design is not worthy of the prize, would you not be putting down the other designers as well? "Open mouth, insert foot"
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
jpa, none of CRS's contests are guaranteed with Logo bids. Just because he wrote "guaranteed" does not mean "guaranteed"
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
I would suggest a warning to all of the other designers. You can see how rude CRS has been.... don't let him take advantage of you! He will keep extending the contest... then dissapear... I guarantee it. I would not doubt he has this logo contest running else where, which is probably why he has NOT guaranteed this contest with Logobids. I am reporting this user to the Logobids admin as I feel he is taking advantage of the professional services we are offering here. BEWARE! i don't want to come back and say I told you so.... just looking out for my fellow designers!
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CRS 1 year ago
No actually your designs are not worth $480. If that is considered rude than I apologize however for $480 I want to get what we are looking for. I am not a shyster. I have paid several designers on this site for submissions that were never even used by us. So for you to say that I rip people off .. well that is certainly not the case. I have been straight forward with you in the past and if you wish to not enter any other contest than by all means that is your choice. You sound like a bitter designer and there are plenty on non bitter creative artists here.
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CRS 1 year ago
I have extended this contest because there still has not been a final concept decided on.
And no this contest IS NOT running else where.
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
Bitter because of people like you.... shyster.

Yes, there are plenty of non bitter creative artists here.... give it about another month of extending this contest.... or you dissapear... then the bitterness will happen.

Good luck on your logo, shyster.
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
Ok, just to prove me wrong.... what designers on this site have been paid by CRS as he states, and for what contest? (only wanting the designers to speak up, not CRS)
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CRS 1 year ago
Good Luck to you. I don't feel the need to prove anything to some one who submits substandard work, however I am sure some one will speak up. Sorry if you have had less than stellar dealings in the past!
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
Go ahead and keep slapping me in the face CRS..... I LIKE IT! (you shyster)

I have reported this contest to the admins (hopefully they will do something... I know they are busy!)

ALSO... I have sent an email to the Up with people website. I believe CRS is possibly posing to them as a designer and submitting our work to them as his own, and probably getting paid three times as much as what he is offering us (this is called outsourcing... or crowdsourching, appears to be the same from his other contests as well)!

I have sent the below email the the Up with people people.....
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Greetings,
Are you aware of your logo redesign involved in this contest? The contest holder CRS has been quite rude and I believe he is taking advantage of designers. I feel he may also be posing as a designer and using our designs from the contest as his own?

http://www.logobids.com/contests/show/id/161
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
Man! I could do this all day!

******bites lip in giddyness!******
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CRS 1 year ago
No one is posing as anything.. And you definitely don't have any thing to worry about.. No one is using any of your recycled designs.
Good Luck to you!
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CRS 1 year ago
No if you could actually design all day you might have something!
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
Eureka! I have contact info for Up with people people! WOAH!


1600 Broadway
Suite 1460
Denver, CO 80202

Tel. +1 303 460 7100
Fax +1 303 225 4649
Toll-Free+1.877 264 8856
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
still no posts from who you paid for past designs.... SHYSTER
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
Just to show CRS's train of thought... I happen to have an extensive portfolio of many years... and see how he is downing my work.... imagine what he would say about you if you realized he is the shyster he is.
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CRS 1 year ago
I'm sure people are actually designing and not following up on meaningless threads..
Contact them..
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Marius Uhlig 1 year ago
I got money.
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Marius Uhlig 1 year ago
Overdrive Direct Marketing
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CRS 1 year ago
This doesn't even make sense. Good luck to you in your designs.
Maybe you could put your years of extensive portfolio to use at some point.
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
Keep it up shyster....

If my work is soo inferrior... why did you leave these messages below? I am sure you are leading on everyone else as well! I will continue to try and contact the Up with people people to let them know what you are up to. How much are they paying you for our designs anyway????


This was posted to one of my designs......
http://www.logobids.com/contests/discussion/161/187/2150


Sure. Yours are more of a redesign to what is currently being used so based on how they feel on the other ones ( not submitted by you) I can tell you which direction they want to proceed with.
CRS

------------ Original Message ------------
From: gurljinxed
Date: January 08, 2009 - 6:38 PM

Thank you for your comments. I will submit new revisions.

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From: CRS
Date: January 08, 2009 - 2:02 PM

#102 looks good. I would keep the globe but use a different font. You have alot of good ones!
#84 Is also one that works well, maybe with some different fonts.
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guaranteed



YES! I am a disgruntled designer...... I am designer.... hear me roar!
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Marius Uhlig 1 year ago
If I was be Kalwi & Remi, I'd sing this ... http://www.logobids.com/contests/show/id/161
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CRS 1 year ago
No one who submits work like gurljinxed will win this. Correct..
Do you really think your designs are that superior???
Enough of this!
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Marius Uhlig 1 year ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWPGXGO6r2c
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
BLAH!

So...... you ARE telling me that the comments you sent regarding my designs ARE bogus! You never intended to consider my designs... even though you lead me to believe so??? GOTCHYA!

I do not by ANY means believe my designs are superior... I just know bullshit when I hear it!
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
Marius.... your silly! (but thanks for trying to break the monotony!)
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
OMG!!!!!

I useded a big ol' dictionary werd! Culded not have beleved thut ferm a designer! gosh golly geee wiz!

yeee haa! *spit*
xpressions 1 year ago
Wow. I hadn't looked at the thread to see what was being said.

Gurl: I understand your frustration because this type of thing happens way too often. We spend valuable time conceptualizing and creating just to see a contest end without a winner. Until ALL contests become PREPAID, this is what we have to cope with and hope the contest holder is legit and will follow through until the end.

CRS: Surely you understand the frustration we feel when this happens. Guarenteeing the contest is always a sign of good faith and more designers will not only enter your contest, but will also provide more revisions than normal.

Regards,

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gurljinxed 1 year ago
You still have not admitted to how much Up With People are paying for OUR logo work CRS...
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
I am only upset because CRS had to down my work.... cannot walk away from that.... if he did not care for it, he could have just accepted my retracting of my designs.... it was truly not necessary to add the rude comments.


SO.... how much is Up With People paying YOU for OUR design CRS? I may have just fell off the turnip truck.... but I am not blind!
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CRS 1 year ago
If you want to know how much??? NOTHING!
How about that? I am actually paying to have this done because I believe in this concept.
I can paste several emails of people that say how great it has been to work with us in the past however gurjinxed you don't have to worry about any of your submittals. Yes that was aimed directly at you as I am not hidding anything. I respect creative people however I will not have a disgruntled person question me. Again good luck to you in the future
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
"I can paste several emails of people that say how great it has been to work with us in the past" EH!!!???!?!?!?!?!

I don't get it?!?!?!

So.... you are outsourcing.... then using another designers work as your own...
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
How come you abandoned this contest?

http://www.logobids.com/contests/show/id/160
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jpa 1 year ago
"No one who submits work like gurljinxed will win this. Correct..
Do you really think your designs are that superior???
Enough of this! "

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I think that gurljinxed is going to high with this matter, but:

1) First of all, she is an honest designer and a good designer. CRS, you don't have arguments to say that their designs are bad only because you're upset. Their designs are much better than some of the designs you've choosen with **, *** or ****. At least she uses Illustrator or Freehand to do their job... So she has reasons to feel offended.

2) You said that you don't want to guarantee the contest because you can't pay with paypal and you need to pay via Credit Card. But you've extended the contest and that costs money. I ask myself which method you used to pay for the extensions of the competition if you haven't used paypal or credit card...

3) At the start of the contest, as well as Gurljinxed said, I wonder about the need of change a good logo (the one on the UPW web). At the middle of the contest, I wonder about the need of change a good logo for a bad logo because some of the chosen with **, ***, ****. And I decided to resign but later I come back and I don't know why... Sure, I'm not telling that my designs are better than others, I'm telling that there are designs from other designers without rating or with a minor rating that are surely better than others.

4) ... etc.

So, I think that's enough for today. Guljinxed please tell us what the people from UPW says about the contest.
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jpa 1 year ago
I mean "Is going too high"...
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CRS 1 year ago
Again Girjinx there is no "Ours" as you may well be a good designer , however your submitted work is not that of being awarded a winner.
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
Then why did you lead me on to think I may have had a chance? I have several designs with 4 star ratings.... so you lied? How many other designers are you doing this to?

Very good points JPA.... thanks for being the level headed one in this conversation lol! If I do get a response from the UWP people, I will definately post it here. Hopefully they will see this contest and we can see what happens from there..

GOOD luck to everyone who chooses to continue to work on this contest.... 480 IS alot of money... especially these days.. but is a shame that it has to be dangled infront of ups like a carrot... sigh... anywho... GOOD LUCK DESIGNERS!
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
and good riddens CRS!

***washes hands***
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CRS 1 year ago
$480 is a lot of money that will be awarded to the chosen designer.

Good Luck!
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
AWWWWW!!!!!! Eliminated.... AGAIN!!!!! gosh golly truth hurts!!!

http://www.logobids.com/uploads/161/large-591fc86c1b88fcde52d8654e4711abad.gif
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CRS 1 year ago
The truth is.. a 15 year old pupil from Germany ( Marius) submitted superior designs over disgruntled designer(s).
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
ouch! awwww come on! you can do better than that!


OR

should i have keept sucking your c*ck and let you c*m in another designers mouth! you fool! shame on you!
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
And don't bring marius into this... he is a good spirit and yes, a good designer.. marius... as well as all of the other designers ROCK! that is why i feel ALL of us should not be taken advantage of by YOU.
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CRS 1 year ago
You could do better than the designs you submitted after all.. You are the one with the extensive portfolio.
Good Luck!
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CRS 1 year ago
Xpressions.. This is a GUARANTEED CONTEST!!!
Happy Designing!
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
Xpressions.... NO THE CONTEST IS NOT OFFICIALLY GUARANTEED!

Happy Designing!
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CRS 1 year ago
No one is being taken advantage.. if anything you are merely wasting, YOUR time!!
And only gurljinxed's time.
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CRS 1 year ago
YES IT IS!!!
If your knew anything about how it works, IT IS OFFICIALLY GUARANTEED!
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
"and only gurljinxed's time" ?!?!?!?! errr? what?!?!!??!
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
HEY!!!!! you finally figured it out!!!!!! congratulations!!!!! dumb ass!
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CRS 1 year ago
Well not only your time.. but every one else who has to scroll through yours to get to ones that are actually superior.
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jpa 1 year ago
Stop please...
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
ok JPA...... just for you sweets!!!!! keep up the hard work! you have some good designs!
xpressions 1 year ago
Thank you for Guaranteeing the contest
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CRS 1 year ago
It has always been GUARANTEED.
Now there is no question about it.
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jpa 1 year ago
"Up with people a 41 year old non profit educational institution is looking to brand their UWP Music brand."

¿When this IMPORTANT information has been added? ¿Or I've lost something?
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CRS 1 year ago
What is your ?
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kaimeister 1 year ago
Marius, why did you get money for Overdrive Direct Marketing from CRS?
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CRS 1 year ago
I can answer that for Marius. When I ran the Overdrive contest Ealaíonta was the chosen winner. That was the design that worked best for our needs so therefore that was the chosen design. There were a lot of designs for that contest that were just great!!
I thought it would be a waste to not use some of those other submittals at one point. Marius submitted an entry that I thought would be great to possibly use at some point (in print) for something down the line for my customers. I offered him money for one design, and I even offered money to another designer for a design that we will never use, but I thought it would be wise to buy now and in the future if we decide to use it on an advert or internal document; then we already have it. I even offered to pay Ealaíonta twice for the winning design when I found out that LogoBids had not paid Ealaíonta. We obviously got it sorted out but the point is I pay artists for their work.
Bottom Line. There were some great concepts and I paid for them. That simple. Any questions you can reach me directly logos@povlaw.com

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jpa 1 year ago
Stop using bitmaps and cliparts for logo contests, please...
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Marius Uhlig 1 year ago
who did that ?
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CRS 1 year ago
A good designer can spot clip art. I think most people can also...
If there are any designs out there using clip art for a contest..Call them out!
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jpa 1 year ago
CRS, I think it's too obvious to tell the name... as well as it's too obvious who is using Photoshop (or Microsoft Paint maybe?) on each contest, but I've speaked with you about some of this things starting the contest and I think that we will have a dejavu if we speak over the same matter again...

Anyway, I leave this contest oficially.
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jpa 1 year ago
Good luck to keegan_re, xpressions, Bonic, Ealaionta, Rwspillmann, blaberus, etc. I hope someone of you win this contest.
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CRS 1 year ago
Some one will win. Thanks for your efforts!
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
Admin,

It's not that the contest is guaranteed anymore... it is that the contest holder is rude in his comments. I withdrew my submissions because I did not want to keep designing for a contest that was going to keep being extended over and over. With my actions, I was told by the contest holder that my designs where inferior anyway and would not have won (although quite a few of my designs had 4 star ratings and had good comments on my work from the contest holder.

I just believe that the contest holder, as well as the designers should have manners. In my case, sure I went a bit far, but think it was justly deserved.
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
Why does CRS keep changing his picture ROFLMAO! Is't that one a Picasso!
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CRS 1 year ago
I was not rude. And YES the CONTEST IS GUARANTEED!

Good Luck!
blaberus 1 year ago
I am trying to follow the discussion about this contest; and very disappointed to see those kind of "impolite" threads written by designers or the contest holder. Up to now, a total of 141 designs have been submitted (some eliminated or retracted) and I think, the main reason for this high amount of submissions is the price money of 480 dollars.

Here are the designers, and the number of designs he/she submitted for this contest:
gurljinxed (34), Marius Uhlig (21), jpa (20), Ealaionta (9), keegan_re (9), Bonic (8), Kallgfx (7), Rwspillmann (7), kaimeister (6), xpressions (6), poor1 (5), ysh (3), pmcdarby (2), alemundo (1), blaberus (1), CnSGD (1), heli350 (1)

Of course, people are wasting time and labor trying to design a logo and at the end they'd want to see a winner for sure. There's no problem with this. I'll critic about the LogoBids Team for the method of submitting designs & the evaluation process.

1) Allowed number of designs: Here, everyone is allowed to design and post as many designs as they wish. My idea is that, this is a negative factor for those who really want to "design" something and waste time on it. Because, when I see an announcement of a contest which has started, if I like it, I start to think hard on it, make reserach, gather information, work about colors and so on. The final product is such a "distilled" droplet of all these process. But when I enter the site to submit my work; I see that tens or maybe hundreds of submissions have been made, and many of them are slightly different alternatives of previous ones. Not trying to offend those who submit many designs; but I believe that there must be a limit; and when the designer want to add more designs after exceeding the limit, he/she must retract a previous version and then do so.

2) The method of the contest: Designers submit logos, contest holders rate them or not, and this goes on forever. And at the end, if there's no winner (which is a possible result) or the contest is extended many times (possible) and the contest holder declares about a guarantee and there's still no result; this is no good. For both the designers and the contest holders. We must be able to approach the situation from different angles. Because "taste of art" is something you can not calculate. Rating the design is a good method but does not help the designer to continue on the correct direction. The designs which have "no" relation to what the contest holder wanted, or which are obvious to be bad copies of other ones, must be eliminated directly by the contest holder; and the users which make plagiarism must be eliminated or warned by moderation. Maybe on the contest page, there can be two columns; one for the designs on good direction (wants) and another one for the designs which make no sense (don't wants). These are just respectful, humble ideas of mine, just for the good of the designers. Nothing else.

3) And the last: as the method of submitting & evaluating is improved by contribution of all people gathered here, everyone will feel relieved. No one will think that his/her work or labor is abused/misused. And I no more think to participate in a contest if all the contests on this site will be the place for poor quality arguments.

Thanks to everyone having patience to read this post.
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CRS 1 year ago
Blaberus,
Let me first off thank you for sharing your thoughts and opinions with us. I agree with some of your points, to a degree.
Let me just share a few points with you as well.
$480 is a lot of money to be awarded for a design. I think it is the highest awarded on this site, up to date. I did this for a couple of reasons. 1- We are looking for something that is great and unique. 2- It doesn't matter to me how many designs a designer submits.
There couldn't be enough if you ask me.. at the same token there are plenty of designs submitted that we would never consider. I've seen quite a few that were way off, a few that were "inspired by others, and some that are actually great.
That being said I'll go back to why I used this site in the first place. I believe in this concept. I think it is great to put a bid on a piece of work that is subjective.
Now to tell a little bit about my self.. I have started 7 start ups and every single one of them I used an agency. One in Canada, One in Los Angeles, One in New York, One in Philadelphia, and 3 in Miami. What I did not like about them was.. the process. I really don't want to focus on this. I am looking for a design that will work for what is needed.
Now.. I have 2 offices. I run my sales office out of a 6,000 square foot facility and our partner has a 30,000 square foot facility with a team of graphic designers. You might ask your self " Why doesn't he have his team work on what he wants?" Well that is just it. I can but I would rather not pull them off what they are doing to do something for me that has no bearing in their every day operations.What they do has nothing to do with stationary or logo creations. Ok that being said, again why would I go with this process again? I don't employ any one locally to work with me full time on any of my needs. Every thing I request is handled on a per project basis.
Now why do I like this concept so much???
Well, where else can I get multiple designers from countries all around the world to work on a chosen project??
Having different people from different countries (with different influences) in my opinion makes for a truly greater chance of having a unique concept, regardless of who is working on it.
Again I think that the concept of this site is great, the execution might need some fine tuning.
I hope that for $480 we can find a concept some where in all of this... a great concept! That is what we are looking for.

I agree with blaberus that the taste of art is something that you can not calculate. In determining the winner we are simply looking for what works best, over all.
The process does seem a bit distilled but I think the possibilities are end- less. There are so many great designers on here and we look forward to working with these great designers.

CRS
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jpa 1 year ago
Some notes:

I don't know how the market on the USA works, but in Spain, if someone wants a great logo must paid around 1000 euro and up for it ($1350). So -and I'm not point directly to you, CRS, I generally speak) I don't understand this contest holders that wants a great logo for $400 and less for $100 with a 4 days process. So I think this contest must be a 4 weeks contest from the beginning.
Contest holders must understand that professional designers that charges $300 - $1000 for a logo can't do his best job for $100 only for his own interest...

The better prize here was $600 on the Innovative Scheduling contest and was a great contest with feedbacks, great concepts, competition and fair play.

I understand you, Blaberus. But most of the contest holders don't provide any feedback and sometimes the best thing to show your logo is to do multiple versions. I recognize that sometimes I do almost sketches of my logos cause I'm learning to calibrate the work I do and the offered prize in this contests, but also sometimes I cross that line and I'm offering logos that costs more than $100 only because the time working (other times I cross the line because I sympathize with the contest holder or with the theme of the contest).

As I said, I understand you. Your suggestions are good... but unfortunately there are a lot of great -and logical- suggestions in this site that stay there from months ago. If this site had a dedicated moderator and knew throughout the design process would be much easier for designers and for contest holders.
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jpa 1 year ago
"the best thing to show your logo" must be "the best WAY to show your logo" Sorry for my english... :S
keegan_re 1 year ago
ow... $600 for innovative scheduling is the highest until now, jpa?

hmm..I must be lucky. hehehe.
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jpa 1 year ago
Not lucky, good designer :)
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CRS 1 year ago
I've paid more than $600 before for a logo that I hated. I've paid $400 before for a logo that I really like.
So the price is subjective just like the artwork. $480 is extremely fair for a logo of this caliber on this site.
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jpa 1 year ago
Off course, to buy a chinesse shoes for $3 and to buy an Armani shoes for $180 is subjective too. The chinesse shoes could be much better looking than the Armani ones... but the chinesse shoes are made with bad leather and cardboard... so, do you really think that the chinesse shoes are better?

Do you know "Bassat Ogilvy"? Bassat Ogilvy is the greatest publicity/design group in Spain and one of the greatest and better publicity/design groups of the world. I don't really know exactly how much cost a corporative image designed by B.O., but it must be over 3.000 - 6.000 euro (no jokes). If you contract B.O. you're contracting experience. They do for you an study for your product image and you pay for the study. Later, they show you a Logo; if you don't like the logo, they present a review; if you don't like the review, etc, charging every time a little more until they give you the study you have paid for and recomend you to find another design studio.
I don't really know how the market works on the USA, but in Europe customers have the possibility of turn down a concept/logo/idea at least for 3 times. If you pay for a logo that you hate it's because you want to pay for a logo that you hate... So yes, you can hate the Armani shoes, but the Armani shoes are made with quality leather...
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CRS 1 year ago
Ogilvy charges a lot more than that in the U.S. I have been to their offices in New York many times.
I hope you are not comparing your self to that firm in any way or to Armani. Armani costs a lot more than that also, as I wear their suits and shoes. Simply stated I know there is great pool of talent to choose from that I feel this type of format offers.
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
ROFLMAO!

If you can afford to wear Armani, CRS, then why are you not paying Ogilvy?!?! Obviously you can afford Ogilvy since you do wear such "high class" duds!


(could not sit idley by on that one... lol!)

Good analogy JPA!
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CRS 1 year ago
Wow you really have logic...

Yes I wear Armani , so do a lot of other people. That is beside the point and a bad analogy by the way.

Having worked with big firms in the past, there are quite a few similarities. Quite often the best designer is not always the best designer that works on your project. The project manager chooses whom they feel the client will best work with or whom they feel which designer will best represent the company. Also if you are new designer starting out you may never ever interact with a client directly unless you have proven to either a project mgr or a senior designer that you have contributed substantially towards a clients end result...
To bypass all of this... that is why this format is great!
It doesn't matter who the designer is, every one contributes equally.
Obviously the chosen design is awarded the "winner".. (which the name 'winner' is a misnomer)
This I feel lets some one get an unbiased concept.. versus what a design agency feels best represents them (distinctively branding themselves) in the view of their chosen client(s)
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jpa 1 year ago
What a sadness that I don't know how to translate the spanish expression "tirarse el rollo"...
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jpa 1 year ago
http://www.shopstyle.com/browse?fts=armani+shoes
C'mon "deja de tirarte el rollo" with this things...
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CRS 1 year ago
Thanks for all the entries.
We will be choosing a winner this week.
Thanks Again.
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Rwspillmann 1 year ago
Has a winner been chosen yet?
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kaimeister 1 year ago
Why would they choose a winner? Their crowdsourcing is going so well...
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CRS 1 year ago
No winner has been chosen yet.

Not all of the votes have been casted. I will update all that have submitted entries.
Thanks to all that have submitted their entries.

I would appreciate not having comments made by glib designers that have not even submitted entries!

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kaimeister 1 year ago
This just shows how much you care about designers. I did enter your contest but retracted my design after it was obvious what you were doing. This much on "ever"
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CRS 1 year ago
I have no idea what you are referring to. Your designs would not have been chosen at any rate so it is not as if you lost anything.
I have worked with plenty of designers in the past so saying that I don't care about designers is not accurate.
The prize money will be awarded once all votes have been accounted for.
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Kallgfx 1 year ago
Can we have an update please? When will we have the vote results?
thank you.
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gurljinxed 1 year ago
Well.... suuuurrrprizzzeee.... suuuurrrprizzzeee.... suuuurrrprizzzeee! what? no winner? who woulda figured?
bobthebuilder11 1 year ago
hey Crs just wanted to drop you a line to let you know what a fuck up you are. and i hope that your happy wasting all these artist time. I sure hope these tough economic times fuck you so hard in the ass. cause u truly are the biggest piece of shit.
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CRS 1 year ago
I should be flattered that you created an Alias to conceal your identity however... it is irrelevant.
Your entitled to your opinions , not facts.
Congratulations to the prize winners!

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Kallgfx 1 year ago
two winners? eh congrads to whom ever than.- why to people with stars next to there names?
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Kallgfx 1 year ago
two* people

bobthebuilder11 1 year ago
alrighty, so there is a winner, or two. but that aside.

to CRS- I am sorry for the insults.

How ever i was fueled by rage at that point. i hate to see people's time wasted and lookin at all these other comments about crowd sourcing and such made my blood boil. so for that I'm sorry you had to experience my pist off side. But you really need to help us out and let us know what is going on. we heard from you like once.

Congratulations to the winner.

glad to be proven wrong.






xpressions 1 year ago
Congrats RWS and thank you CRS for choosing my design as well. Please check your private messages for further details. Regards,
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Rwspillmann 1 year ago
Thanks Expressions, you too....great work as usual!